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Jiddu Krishnamurti on God and Self Realized People
Question: You have realized reality. Can you tell us
what God is?
What does it matter if I have realized or have not
realized? Is not what I am saying the truth? Even if I am the most
perfect human being, if what I say is not the truth why would you even
listen to me? Surely my realization has nothing whatever to do with what
I am saying and the man who worships another because that other has
realized is really worshipping authority and therefore he can never find
the truth. To understand what has been realized and to know him who has
realized is not at all important, is it?
If we really love each other then there will be instantaneous communication. Then it does not matter if you have realized and I have not or if you are the high or the low. Since our hearts have withered, God has become awfully important. That is, you want to know God because you have lost the song in your heart and you pursue the singer and ask him whether he can teach you how to sing. He can teach you the technique but the technique will not lead you to creation. You cannot be a musician by merely knowing how to sing.
You may know all the steps of a dance but if you have not creation in your heart, you are only functioning as a machine. You cannot love if your object is merely to achieve a result. There is no such thing as an ideal, because that is merely an achievement. Beauty is not an achievement, it is reality, now, not tomorrow. If there is love you will understand the unknown, you will know what God is and nobody need tell you - and that is the beauty of love.
It is eternity in itself. Because there is no love, we
want someone else, or God, to give it to us. If we really loved, do you
know what a different world this would be? We should be really happy
people. Therefore we should not invest our happiness in things, in
family, in ideals. We should be happy and therefore things, people and
ideals would not dominate our lives. They are all secondary things.
Because we do not love and because we are not happy we invest in things,
thinking they will give us happiness, and one of the things in which we
invest is God.
All the time we want to know, because then we shall be able to continue, then we shall be able, we think, to capture ultimate happiness, permanency. We want to know because we are not happy, because we are striving miserably, because we are worn out, degraded. Yet instead of realizing the simple fact - that we are degraded, that we are dull, weary, in turmoil - we want to move away from what is the known into the unknown, which again becomes the known and therefore we can never find the real.
Therefore instead of asking who has realized or what God is why not give your whole attention and awareness to what is? Then you will find the unknown, or rather it will come to you. If you understand what is the known, you will experience that extraordinary silence which is not induced, not enforced, that creative emptiness in which alone reality can enter.
It cannot come to that which is becoming, which is
striving; it can only come to that which is being, which understands
what is. Then you will see that reality is not in the distance; the
unknown is not far off; it is in what is. As the answer to a problem is
in the problem, so reality is in what is; if we can understand it, then
we shall know truth.
The eternal or the timeless is now and the now cannot be understood by a man who is caught in the net of time. To free thought from time demands action, but the mind is lazy, it is slothful, and therefore ever creates other hindrances. It is only possible by right meditation, which means complete action, not a continuous action, and complete action can only be understood when the mind comprehends the process of continuity, which is memory - not the factual but the psychological memory.
As long as memory functions, the mind cannot understand what is. But one's mind, one's whole being, becomes extraordinarily creative, passively alert, when one understands the significance of ending, because in ending there is renewal, while in continuity there is death, there is decay.
Source: from Jiddu Krishnamurti Book "The First and last Freedom"