Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche
Osho on Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche
Question – How is it that great masters like Chogyam
Trungpa get so drunk on occasional festivities that they have to be
carried home? Can the use of alcohol for enjoyment disturb a certain
awareness of seekers?
Osho - Who told you that this man is a Master? He belongs to a
tradition in which many Masters have existed, but he carries just the
dead load. And this is the trouble because in the tradition to which he
belongs there have been men like Marpa, Milarepa, Naropa, Tilopa — great
siddhas — and they all used to drink, now this is delicate, but they
never got drunk. They used to drink, but they never got drunk.
That is one of the ways of tantra, a method: one has to go on increasing
the amount of alcohol and getting attuned to it, but remaining
conscious. Hmm?… first you take just one teaspoonful. you remain
conscious; then two; then three; then you go on. Then you drink the
whole bottle. But now you are so attuned your consciousness is not
disturbed; then alcohol won’t do. Then you move to more dangerous drugs.
There came a time in the tradition of tantra when snakes, poisonous
snakes, were used because a man became so attuned to all types of drugs.
Then the last test was the snake cobra. Then the cobra was forced to
bite the man on the tongue — then too he remained conscious.
This was a secret test and a growth: now you have achieved to such
crystallization of consciousness that the whole body is filled with
alcohol but it doesn’t affect you. This was a point in tantra to go
beyond the body; this is going beyond the body — for tantra.
This man comes from that tradition, so he has the permission from the
tradition to drink, but if he gets drunk then he has missed the whole
point; he not a Master; he is not aware. But in America everything is
possible now. Not knowing the old tradition. this man can say to people,
“Even our own Masters have been drinking.” In tantra all those things
that are ordinarily prohibited are allowed. A tantric is allowed to eat
meat — ordinarily it is prohibited; he is allowed to drink ordinarily it
is prohibited; he is allowed to have sex — ordinarily for a seeker it is
prohibited. Everything that is prohibited ordinarily, is allowed in
tantra, but allowed with such conditions that if you forget the
conditions you forget the whole thing.
One should go in sex, but there should be no ejaculation. If ejaculation
happens, then it is ordinary sex; then it is not tantra. If you make
love and no ejaculation happens, for hours you are together with the
woman and no ejaculation happens, this is tantra. This is an attainment.
Drinking is allowed, but getting drunk is not allowed. If you get drunk
you are an ordinary drunkard — no need to bring tantra in.
Meat is allowed, but you have to eat meat — even sometimes human meat,
human flesh, from dead bodies — but you should remain indifferent. You
should remain unperturbed — not even a flicker in your consciousness
that “something wrong….”
Tantra says that every bondage has to be transcended, and the last
bondage is morality — that too has to be transcended. Unless you
transcend morality you have not transcended the world. So in a country
like India where vegetarianism has gone to the very deep core of Indian
consciousness, meat-eating was allowed, but it was not allowed in the
way that meat-eaters eat. A man has to prepare his whole life for it. He
was to be a vegetarian; as a seeker he was to be a vegetarian.
Years will pass — ten years, twelve years he has remained a vegetarian,
he has not made love to any woman, he has not drunk anything alcoholic,
and he has not taken any other drugs. Then after twelve years, fifteen
years, even twenty years, the Master will allow him, now, to move into
sex, but to move with a woman with such respect that the woman is almost
a goddess; it is not carnal. And the man who is moving with the woman
has to worship her, touch her feet. And if even a slight sexual desire
arises he is disqualified; then he is not ready for it.
It was a great preparation and a great test — greatest that has ever
been created for man. With no desire, with no lust, he has to feel
towards the woman as if she is his mother. If the Master says, and sees,
that he is right — now he is like a child entering the woman, not like a
man, and like a child he remains inside the woman with no sexuality
arising: his breathing is not affected his body energy is not affected;
for hours he remains together with the woman, there is no ejaculation; a
deep silence pervades — it is a deep meditation.
For twenty years remaining a vegetarian and then suddenly you are
offered meat to eat: your whole being will feel repulsed. Hmm?… if you
feel repulsion then tantra says, “You are rejected. Now go beyond it.
Now whatsoever is offered, accept it in deep gratitude.” You must know
if you have remained a vegetarian even for one year and suddenly meat is
offered, you will start feeling nausea, vomiting. If that comes that
means the man is still living in the thoughts — because it is only a
thought that this is meat and this is vegetable. Vegetable is also meat,
because it comes from the body of the tree; and meat is also vegetable,
because it comes from the tree of a man’s body or an animal’s body. This
is the transcendence of morality.
And then he is prepared to drink strong drugs. If he has really become
alert then whatsoever is given will change the chemistry of the body but
not his consciousness; his consciousness will remain floating on the
chemistry of the body. Gurdjieff used to drink as much as you can
imagine — but was never unconscious, never drunk. He was a tantric
Master. If you want to look in the West towards somebody, then he is
George Gurdjieff, not Tibetan refugees.
Source – Osho Book “Yoga: The Alpha and the Omega, Vol5″
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