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		Upadesa Sahasri by Adi Shankara - 
		Part 5
		   84. Disciple.-" If this is so, Sir, what is my fault when the mental 
		changes resembling sound etc. and resulting in reflection of knowledge 
		of My own nature, are produced in Me who am of the nature of changeless 
		and eternal Consciousness?" 
		 
		   85. Teacher.-" It is true that you are not to be blamed. Ignorance, 
		as I told you before, is the only fault." 
		 
		   86. Disciple.-" Sir, why are there the states of dream and waking (in 
		me) if I am absolutely changeless like one in deep sleep?" 
		 
		   87. The teacher said to him, "But you always experience them 
		(whenever they arise)." 
		 
		   88. Disciple.-" Yes, I experience them at intervals but not 
		continuously." 
		 
		   89. The teacher said, "They are then adventitious only and are not 
		your own nature. They would surely be continuous' if they were 
		self-existent like Pure consciousness which is your own nature. 
		Moreover, they are not your own nature inasmuch as they are 
		non-persistent like clothes and other things. For what is one's own 
		nature is never seen to cease to persist while one is persisting. But 
		waking and dream cease to persist while Pure Consciousness continues to 
		do so. Pure Consciousness, the Self, persists in deep sleep; and 
		whatever is non-persistent (at that time) is either destroyed or negated 
		inasmuch as adventitious things, never the properties of one's own 
		nature, are found to possess these characteristics; for example, the 
		destruction of money, clothes, etc. and the negation of things acquired 
		in dream or delusion, are seen. 
		 
		   90. Disciple.-" But, Sir, when this is so, Pure Consciousness Itself 
		has to be admitted to be adventitious like waking and dream. For it is 
		not known in deep sleep. Or, (it may be that I have adventitious 
		consciousness or) am non-conscious by nature." 
		 
		   91. Teacher.----" No. (What you say is not right ). Think over it. It 
		is not reasonable (to say so). You may look upon Pure Consciousness as 
		adventitious (if you are wise enough); but we cannot prove It to be so 
		by reasoning even in a hundred years, nor (can It be proved to be so) 
		even by a dull man. As the consciousness (that has for its adjuncts 
		mental modifications) is a combination, no one can disprove its 
		existence for the sake of another, its manyness, and its destructibility 
		by any reasoning whatever; for we have already said that whatsoever does 
		not exist for itself is not self-existent. As Pure Consciousness, the 
		Self is self-existent; no one can disprove Its independence of other 
		things inasmuch as It never ceases to exist." 
		 
		   92. Disciple.-" But I have shown an exception, namely I have no 
		consciousness in deep sleep." 
		 
		   93. Teacher.-" No, you contradict yourself" Disciple.-" How is it a 
		contradiction?" Teacher-" You contradict yourself by saying that you are 
		not conscious when, as a matter of fact, you are so." 
		   Disciple.-" But, Sir, I was never conscious of consciousness or of 
		anything else in deep sleep." 
		   Teacher.-" You are then conscious in deep sleep. For you deny the 
		existence of the objects of knowledge (in that state), but not that of 
		Knowledge. I have told you that what is your consciousness is nothing 
		but absolute Knowledge. The Consciousness owing to whose presence you 
		deny (the existence of things in deep sleep) by saying, 'I was conscious 
		of nothing' is the Knowledge, the Consciousness which is your Self. As 
		it never ceases to exist, Its eternal immutability is self-evident and 
		does not depend on any evidence; for an object of Knowledge different 
		from the self-evident Knower depends on an evidence in order to be 
		known. Other than the object, the eternal Knowledge that is 
		indispensable in proving non-conscious things different from Itself, is 
		immutable; for It is always of a self-evident nature. Just as iron, 
		water, etc., which are not of the nature of light and heat, depend for 
		them on the sun, fire, and other things other than themselves, but the 
		sun and fire, themselves always of the nature of light and heat, do not 
		depend for them on anything else; so being of the nature of pure 
		Knowledge, It does not depend on any evidence to prove that It exists or 
		that it is the Knower." 
		 
		   94. Disciple.-" But it is transitory knowledge only that is the 
		result of a proof and not eternal Knowledge." 
		 
		   95. Teacher.-" No, These cannot reasonably be a distinction of 
		perpetuity or otherwise in knowledge. For it is not known that 
		transitory knowledge is the result of a proof and not, eternal 
		Knowledge, as Know1edge itself is such a result," 
		 
		   96. Disciple.-"But eternal Knowledge does not depend on a knower 
		while transitory knowledge does so as it is produced by an intervening 
		effort. This is the difference," 
		 
		    97. Teacher.-" The Knower which is the Self is then self-evident as 
		It does not depend on any evidence (in order to be proved)." 
		 
		   98. Disciple.-" (If the knowledge of the Self be independent of an 
		evidence on the ground that It is eternal) why should the absence of the 
		result of an evidence with regard to the Se!f be not so on the same 
		ground?" 
		   Teacher.-" No, it has been refuted on the ground that it is pure 
		Knowledge that is it the Self." 
		 
		   99. "To whom will the desire (to know a thing) belong if the Knower 
		depends on an evidence in order to be known? It is admitted that one who 
		is desirous of knowing a thing is the Knower. His desire of knowing a 
		thing has for its object the thing to be known and not the Knower. For 
		in the latter case, there arises a regressus ad infinitum with regard to 
		the Knower and also with regard to the desire to know the Knower 
		inasmuch as the knower of the knower and so on (are to be known); and 
		such is the case with regard to the desires of knowing the knower. 
		Moreover, there being nothing intervening, the Knower, the Self, cannot 
		fall into the category of the known. For a thing to be known becomes 
		known when it is distanced from the knower by the birth of an 
		intervening desire, memory, effort or an evidence on the part of the 
		knower. There cannot be the knowledge of an object in any other way. 
		Again it cannot be imagined that the knower himself is distanced from 
		himself by anyone of his own desires etc. For memory has for its object 
		the thing to be remembered and not one who remembers it; so has desire 
		for its object the thing to be desired and not one who desires it. There 
		arises, as before, an inevitable regressus ad infinitum if memory and 
		desire have their own agents for their objects. 
		
		
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